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Where/how is this obtained?
I’m curious about seeing an entire list of defederated instances.
Where/how is this obtained?
I’m curious about seeing an entire list of defederated instances.
fba.ryona.agency
Be aware that it doesn’t track when lemmy instances defederate from other fediverse instances correctly and hasn’t for months, and that it’s run someone from one of those 50 defederated instances.
Newbie question here… What’s the difference between federated and de-federated?
Defederated means that the server has been forbidden from connecting and communicating with specific other servers that have decided to defederate with it, so users from the server can’t see or interact with users and posts on the server that defederated it and vice versa. Hopefully I was clear and coincise.
So you need to look at the number of de federations. That is basically how many other instances have blocked them and do not receive content from them to their feed. You can still go to all these instances using their respective urls and see what they are like. The reasons for blocking them vary depending on the instance. Edit: They can still be federated with other instances that don’t block them creating their own little fediverse bubbles.
Federated means that any instance that is federated with them receives their content and can bee seen on that instance.
Defederated means they are not federated anymore, thus blocking both users and content.
It’s usually done to combat content you don’t want on your instance
Ok ok… So me using Lemmy.world is a specific instance of Lemmy, so it’s almost like its own server? And other instances (maybe lemmy.unitiedstates?) is its own federated instance likely related to just U.S. posts and it can communicate with other instances? Do de-federated instances have no other communication with instances?
Apologies if these are silly, I feel like a dum dum because everyone else seems to grasp this except me.
Eientei? From touhou? Wonder what’s in there. Also was expecting to see the pawoo competitor misskey.io since several japanese artists went there after Musk bought twitter.
I checked. Mostly a handful-of-people instance doing whatever on some Pleroma/Akkoma instance. Not much to see there and not much of what I could see there seemed to make much sense to me. Perhaps the defeds are mostly preventative but I cannot tell.
Does kiwifarms.cc even exist anymore? I remember hanging out there while the main site was under maintenance, but it seems to have gone offline since then
Not sure why this is downvoted, but’s been down for longer than a week according to isitdownrightnow.
coordinating bullying with the intent of causing suicide is frowned upon
Not sure why this is downvoted
Because people hate Kiwi Farms. The reason why people hate them because KF haves freedom and it’s unkillable.
People frown upon doxxing and stalking, the law does so too.
Especially if it is just to push people into suicide.
Any sane person would hate KiwiFarms. They are the degenerates of the internet. Akin to skinheads. Anyone who identifies as one of them should be banned, IP blocked and seriously beaten if encountered in real life.
Cause kiwifarmers are degens
I hope not, it was a toxic shit hole filled with complete fucking losers.
The name “cum.salon” just kills me
freespeechextremist
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freecumextremistgot me
The fact that it is a registered domain is just class.
Are domain name approvals nowadays fully automated or are there still people looking over them?
There’s probably automated checks for certain words that a person might have to look at but it’s likely all automated.
Sound like fed honeypots to me
fed cumpots
seal.cafe, cawfee.club and sleepy.cafe sure got welcoming names. Given the number of defederations, I doubt the contents are anything like the names.
Most of them were automatically defederated for not having adequate protection against bot signups, that got nothing to do with sketchy content.
As someone interested in both sides of security game theory, what exactly helps stop bots? I grew up playing RuneScape and hating bots before making r/Artisanvideos and hating them even more. I’ve always wondered if it’s a matter of automatically detecting precise repetitive patterns or just specific giveaway signs.
If the bots are welcomed and they don’t have good enough moderation, this is just sketchy content with extra steps.
Why was Alex Gleason defederated?
I think he was employed by truth social for a while, and it might have been just because of his prior involvement as a programmer. But could be wrong about him working there or wrong about that being the reason.
@Jake_Farm @witchdoctor Too based for the leftoid soyboy fedi instances.
It’s funny/sad the stark contrast between the ones where you can’t really tell why they’re defederated from just the name vs the ones where it’s extremely obvious (and how little in-between there is)
Some of these im… Curious about. Presumably the names are dog whistles (when they’re not just openly stating their purpose)… But IDK the whistle so I’m curious af.
Not curious enough to get put on some list by actually checking them out though lol
Most of these are gonna be pedo/lolicon stuff, closely followed by unmoderated hate and spam instances.
Oh those hate sites are very closely moderated. They know exactly what kind of content they want on there and anything else gets the boot.
But like…
Free cum extremist?!? Porn and radical political views in the same place? I’m intrigued!
I’m honestly most curious about wolfgirl because that just sounds like furry shit, but nobody hates furries that much, so what dog whistle am I missing???
Wolfgirl: feed is broken, or possibly just denied until you login. Don’t care enough to make an account. About page:
It’s not a war crime if you had fun doing it.
I reserve the right to bully you in any way my administration powers allow, or just normally.Eh.
FCE: broken, 50/50 chance of malware, meh.
I have no idea what lolicon is
Hentai depicting prepubescent girls. That shit is highly illegal in the UK, Switzerland and some US states and is punished as severely as CSAM.
Canada, too, i think.
pedophilia, with excuses.
try ’em out with Tor – get onto a federal list and an NSA list at the same time …
“cum.salon” sounds thrilling. I both want it to be exactly what it says it is, but also, something completely different.
Free cum extremist?!?! Sounds exhilarating
This is why I believe federation should be an opt-in process rather than servers being federated by default.
Some of you may remember when Lemmy World was flooded with CSAM by other hostile instances and had to temporarily disable image uploads.
Lemmy supports both blacklist and whitelist federation, but the only large instance that uses whitelist federation as far as I know currently is Hexbear.
there are peoples who create instances for their families, who is going to manually federate with all these small instances?
Nominally, you’d need to go through some request process to request federation with other large instances. Then they’d vet your configuration before adding you.
Would be nice if they had some form of agreement where you can get accepted by one big instance, you get accepted by all. Or maybe even a standard order form and application which you can send to all major instances with the click of a button
That would destroy the already limited content of the fedi. It’s like people hate content discovery for some reason.
It’s almost like federation is a stupid fucking idea that doesn’t work
It’s almost like it’s fundamentally broken and no one else wants to admit it
Out of curiosity, why are you here, then?
Because I refuse to give up on speaking the truth about the matter, and how corrupt the admins are, and demonstrating the very serious flaws and problems Lemmy as a platform has (there are a lot of ways people can exploit Lemmy to be a massive douche canoe, for starters).
Because truth is valuable for its own sake even if no one will listen.
People really ought to go back to separate websites and small forums, and get away from federation in general. It doesn’t do any real good.
What do you think towns and cities are
Stupid fucking ideas.
Well how do you think it should work then?
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I wonder why gameliberty.club is the only Mastodon instance in this list that uses the old blue logo.
Because they are still on version 3
Right
I’ve never heard of any of these.
Awesome
Huh. I would have bet Lemmygrad would be up there somewehre.
Places like Lemmygrad and Hexbear are actually pretty benign. They’re just on the verge of being acceptable to people so they make a lot of noise and cause a lot of drama but in terms of the actual bad actors… well, as you can see, they don’t even rate.
Agreed. While I tend to disagree with most of the viewpoints coming from lemmygrad, at least the content is posted with benign intent. The room might stink, but nobody intentionally shat on the floor.
The room might stink, but nobody intentionally shat on the floor.
I like this figure of speech a lot, stealing it 😁
Meh, I don’t really find the open mass murder fetish benign at all. I don’t care what color your fash is, it’s still abhorrent.
I guess it’s slightly better that they’re mostly honest deniers instead of “they had it coming” types.
I think. I personally find it refreshing in small doses to deal with people that actually know what the fuck they’re talking about in terms of political theory, some of the shit .world users will say is…
Upsetting, intellectually.
Of course, so is talking to a genuine Stalinist.
My experience with hexbear has been pretty fucking far from them knowing political theory, outside of one very specific niche they can kind of articulate as long as you don’t ask them to reduce any of it to fundamentals or first principles.
As far as I can tell, their one trick is quoting books they haven’t actually read, assuming nobody else has read them either. I’ve literally had this same interaction three or four times at this point, over books which don’t say the things they think they say. Like multiple people arguing that some Chomsky work supports their orthodox ML theory.
You can literally get them to argue against the works they are trying cite by quoting them. It’s amusing for a bit, but then it’s just sad.
Hexbear and Lemmygrad are different instances, but tbh at this point I’m just happy with people that can at least vaguely define liberalism and socialism, and I don’t have to see the great minds upvote “communism is right wing, AKSHUALLY, because right wing means authoritarian.”
Edit: ah wait, your comment was under one about both, I conflated it with the other chain about Lemmygrad specifically.
I think this highlights what people think when they hear “defederating” vs its actual purpose. It’s controversial when it’s between serious instances that people actually use but with wildly incompatible opinions, but there’s very few objections when it’s blocking CSAM!
Okay, yeah this was my thought as I wrote this, I won’t deny it. But to be fair, LemmyGrad does more than just to be controversial. They provoke and brigade and justify terrible Crimes against Humanity. And I might bet that some of the Stuff they say could even be illegal here in Germany.
I imagine most of the big servers have them blocked but it’s probably the individual servers that make up the majority of the numbers. If you’re self-hosting then you can just ignore instances you don’t like and be relatively confident they won’t hassle you. The other kind though, probably want to preempt them!
I’d imaging its fur and anime, not CSAM.
Fur, anime, and CSAM groups have a not so insignificant overlap of members sometimes, sadly.
Judging from some of the other comments in this thread I’m not so sure
I think lemmygrad isn’t that bad considering pedo.school is halfway through the list.
True, but LemmyGrad can be wild too. I met one who claimed being Homosexual is imperialistic. https://lemmy.world/post/4494303
Ah yes the urge to kiss boys and conquer territory
Lemmygrad and Hexbear most definitely do not tolerate homophobia, though, so I don’t think that user would’ve lasted long there if they were a lemmygrad user.
Isn’t that a .world user? Lemmygrad doesn’t allow homophobes as a rule. Probably why they couldn’t register on that instance.
Being gay and imperialist is a hilarious thought though lol
When you are a queen but want to be THE Queen.
I bet a large part of the Fediverse are Communist/Socialist too, or have similar ideas. Lemmy’s devs are, after all.
I mean, the whole thing is based on the idea of being free to use for everyone.
I see your Point. I see myself also as rather left. But the People over at Lemmygrad are not really left imo. They are authoritarian, for sure. But left? I don’t know. I don’t want to claim to be the sole “Incarnation of leftism” it’s just that many of my views and beliefs are the opposite of theirs.
There is, for better or worse, authoritarianism on the left. “You will be fed and given a place to stay and personal safety… or else!” Even in its more benign forms (ex Bolshevism) it’s kinda bad imo. When it gets extreme it gets… well… being an English speaker i’m sure you’ve heard all about it.
The spectrum is more than left and right, I know political compass memes on Reddit got taken over by nazis but there is legitimately a whole compass. Stalin is somewhat center left, nudist hippie communes are lower left corner
Being vehemently against racism and fascism is left. It’s the logical extreme opposite of “a certain group of people are superior to everyone else”: “everyone is equal and their basic necessities should be provided for free”
You just seem to disagree with the folks over on grad and Lemmy devs on how that can be achieved, and maybe to what extent it should be. They believe an authority is necessary to enforce those rules, or you get corporations and billionaires steering the government to wage wars for profit from oil, materials etc. like what’s happening now.
Personally, I see being pro-China like they are on grad as much less worrying than being pro-US, the latter of which I have a feeling .world mods wouldn’t block because of their inherent western bias. Only one of the two have constantly invaded other countries for their resources, or overthrown democratically elected foreign governments to replace them with military dictatorships.
Only one of the two have constantly invaded other countries
The People of Tibet might disagree there. But this is a discussion for another Time.
I’m not pro US either, tho. I just call out evil when I see it. And that’s my Problem with Lemygrad. They seem to believe there are only two sides. I can say America does bad things and China, Russia etc. does bad things. They pick one side and argue and justify away the crimes “their” Side has done. And that’s not how we come forward. Evil is Evil is Evil. No matter who does it.
They pick one side and argue and justify away the crimes “their” Side has done
That’s a heavy oversimplification of everything on there… I see the folks on grad being mad about bad decisions by China just the same; they just heavily scrutinize negative news for bias or misinfo, as people should do for everything.
If you do scrutinize your news and sources, I think it’s only natural that you’d end up being very anti-west/imperialism, and far less anti-China, specially considering the grip western media and news have on the world. The two are just not equivalent at all.
The People of Tibet might disagree there
Here’s an example of that. The fact that China’s education system makes sure ~90% of Tibetans can speak their cultural language compared to the ~8% of North Americans that can speak theirs means they’re just not equivalent. The only countries accusing China of such a fucked up crime like cultural repression are western ones with a political/economic interest for doing so. Muslim countries and the global south side with China on this and Xinjiang.
You don’t get it. I don’t compare. It is not that is worse than that. China attacked Tibet and conquered their Land. I don’t need to compare this to the US. I don’t care if Country XYZ says it was good. Evil is Evil is Evil. Pull yourself away from comparing. You don’t have to weigh Evil against each other.
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They pick one side and argue and justify away the crimes “their” Side has done.
You are doing exactly that. You try to argue and justify the annexation of Tibet. You could easily say “Yeah, that was not okay. China invaded and occupied Tibet, this is not okay.” But instead you are trying to compare this to the US and bring up other Countries and what they think. THIS is exactly what I meant.
you are trying to compare this to the US and bring up other Countries and what they think
Shouldn’t we look at different sources and scrutinize events and claims thoroughly? You seem to be thinking you’re being objective by taking a centrist position on these but this
China invaded and occupied Tibet
is a western claim, and exactly what the US and EU wants its citizens to think by drawing a false equivalence between them and their geopolitical rival. Tibet had a popular revolutionary party whose views were in line with the rest of China that wanted China’s help overthrowing the Dalai Lama, under whom slavery and serfdom was common in the region. There absolutely were factions supporting the prior feudal rule, but chalking that up to “China invaded and occupied Tibet” is absurd and extremely misleading. Tibet is an autonomous region now.
Hell, the Tibetan uprising against the Chinese government later on was organized by the CIA, and the US is open about it and even proud of it now. Here’s a book on that written by a US district judge and a journal by a professor on Tibetan studies. It’s similar to how the US overthrew the democratically elected Mosaddegh in Iran because his policies would benefit Iran instead of the US.
Amazing, it only took you 2 comments to land right on genocide denial, unprovoked.
You’re a tankie, defending other tankies, and tankies aren’t communists, nor are you on the left, since you clearly aren’t in support of freedom and equality for all, never mind the rest of it, just more of the same bullshit - authoritarians co opting leftist ideas and language to grab power. Tale as old as fucking time…genocide
Jesus christ, you don’t seem to realize how much of a fucked up accusation that is to throw around. Even the US State Department, who would love to claim any and all accusations against their geopolitical rivals, says there’s no mass killings in China, probably because the US couldn’t cause one like they did in 1965 in Indonesia.
Even if it’s not intentional, these kinds of thoughtless claims downplay actual mass killings like the one Israel is perpetrating against native Palestinians right now.
far-rights co opting leftist language to grab power
Hence why it’s important to scrutinize news, sources and claims, and not throw around baseless ones.
I do think we need a democratically elected authority though, or you get corporations and billionaires steering the government to wage wars for their own selfish profit from oil, materials etc. like what’s happening now with Israel. And rising inequality as wealth gathers at the top.
Perhaps a governing system like Cuba’s, which is Socialist and has one of the most open democracies in the world. It has an unusually high percentage of women in the government compared to the rest of the world thanks to that; 53.22% now (U.S has 29.0%), and better LGBT rights than the US nowadays. Also free healthcare, and enough free high level education to provide Italy with doctors during the pandemic, despite the ongoing 60 year US embargo.
Surprised Gab isn’t the record holder, it was the big deal example the fediverse advocates held up as how awesome the fediverse is at moderating itself, especially the “defed if federated with” rule instances started using to actually quarantine the users from Gab
Gab federates no more.
Makes me kinda wish that when defederating you could select a one word label for why. Like a fixed list with several options like pedo, spam, harassment, abandoned, etc and a default of other. Make it a bit easier with a big list like this to say, oh 1000 of these 1400 all selected “racism” when defederating so it’s probably very racist and I should also defederate. But if it’s a lot of “other” or inconsistent reasons maybe I should spend a bit of time digging.
You’re looking for this: https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/censured. Us instance admin can also endorse other instances.
What does kiwifarm mean?
Here’s the beginning of the Wikipedia article:
Kiwi Farms, formerly known as CWCki Forums, is a web forum that facilitates the discussion and harassment of online figures and communities. Their targets are often subject to organized group trolling and stalking, as well as doxxing and real-life harassment.
So, it’s an assholefarm.
Although the name originated with one particular site, it looks like the name now applies to any site that serves a similar purpose. Bleah.
What’s up with all the pedo instances? Why are they creating instances in an open web? Are they dumb or something? It sounds to me that just registering the domain names of some of those could be considered a crime, nevermind openly inviting and hosting CSAM.
It’s not a crime as long as they don’t post the actual content, I guess
Honeypots and also to discourage people from engaging to corral people into big tech where surveillance is #1
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com is one cool dude. Their fingerprints are all over Lemmy in an obviously much needed manner. I’m glad I joined their instance.
Agreed! I’m really appreciative of folks putting this kind of work into Lemmy.
What does “altfedi” mean? And what content is illegal in Germany and Czechia?
As an instance owner, thank you. Going to use this a lot
Sooooo much CSAM and lolicon on there. Disgusting. One question tho, what does “map” mean in this context?
“Minor attracted person” the whitewashed version of the word pedophile.
They’ve defederated from a bunch for no reason including lemmyunchained.net which is what I use. But I still see posts, why is that?
Who are they?
