If I developed a Linux app I would absolutely package it as a flatpak. If a package is in pacman, however, I see no reason to use the flatpak version instead.

I had the opposite experience. I have been using EndeavourOS on my desktop since November, zero issues. This weekend I’ve been distro hopping on my old MacBook pro and almost every distro had a problem. Some didn’t boot, other had wifi issues, trackpad issues, keyboard volume keys not working, high CPU usage… EndeavourOS was the only one I tried that just worked out of the box with no issues

EndeavourOS has been a wonderful experience for me, can’t recommend it enough.

Since when does EndeavourOS supply a GUI package manager? They don’t even have Discover installed out of the box.

I don’t think it’s more confusing than Arch, if you know how to maintain Arch then you’re not gonna have any trouble at all.

I agree that their eos popup is a bit meh but you can just press the “Don’t show me again” button and be done with it

EndeavourOS is basically Arch with an easy installer and reasonable defaults. Don’t expect it to be more than it is!

Which one is a concern you share?

My main concern is trust. How can I trust that the Manjaro team is competent when they can’t keep up with something as simple as certificates. You say they helped the AUR but they actually DDOS’d it several times due to problems in pamac the software store they developed. By using Manjaro, you are saying that you trust the Manjaro team more than the Arch team, since you are using their repositories. Their actions do not inspire trust on me.

Arch actually has an unstable branch, that is “bleeding edge”. Most people run Arch on the stable branch, which is perfectly fine. You can run into problems, but so far I have never encountered any. Holding packages for “stability” is a neat idea but if the Firefox and Arch team deemed the new browser version to be stable, that’s good enough for me. I don’t see the Manjaro devs as having more competence to judge such things than the Arch community and the software devs.

This is a pointless discussion anyway, I’m not changing my mind and neither are you but all least now you know where I’m coming from. Cheers.

It’s not nonsense, just concerns that you don’t seem to have. Which is fine, really. If Manjaro is perfect for you, keep using it. No judging here.

I personally don’t like Manjaro holding out on package updates, Arch stable branch is more than good enough for me. Everything else can be easily installed if you want to. Therefore, there’s really no reason for me personally to recommend Manjaro.

Just because it’s wildly used it doesn’t mean it’s the best, otherwise you’d be suggesting OP to install Windows 10.

Manjaro has several legit criticism. Maybe they’re not important to you, but they are still legit and relevant points to make. Personally, I ended up going with an Arch derivative that uses the official arch repos. Everything else you like in Manjaro can be easily installed.

I use Linux servers on my job and I did a ton of research. I felt confident in moving from Windows to Linux and for the most part it went very well. Most distributions provide a live environment and the installer is extremely easy.

I had a ton of small little problems with Nvidia, Wayland, audio… I ended up fixing most of them, or at least apply some workarounds but it was a painful experience.

Gaming works really really really well, which I found surprising.

Even good developers make mistakes. It’s really nice to catch these mistakes at compile time.

I mean… If Proton had no way of knowing your recovery email, it would be pretty pointless to set one up. If they do have a way of knowing it, they are bound by swiss law to give it up. No company is above the law, they have always been very transparent on that matter.

But why go through those hoops? What is the advantage Debian brings when you have to cherry pick packages and their dependencies from Sid? Stability is no longer an advantage when you are cherry picking from Sid lol.

You can also install “app stores” on arch, if you so desire. I believe the most famous one is pamac.

You can configure the firewall with the KDE GUI, you don’t need additional knowledge than the one you’d already need for any other system.

I wouldn’t recommend Arch for newbies with no technical background but I feel like EndeavourOS is very simple to install and use.

Yeah but what’s the point of using Debian when you’re going to have to manually package newer versions of a lot of software?

What problems do you have on Ubuntu? What software is too out of date? Why do you need LTS for a workstation?

I wish it was more popular so more job offers would pop up :P

So? If a Java dev wants to learn Rust, they’ll make it. There are a lot of burned out Java devs wanting to move to something that feels new and exciting again.

What’s so surprising about that?

My hope, for proton, would be improved search functionality. Currently search only works for email subject, not body. It’s really lackluster.

Is the search functionality improved in the desktop app?

As for the browser I’m going to assume it’s my bad. My MBP no longer has browser updates and I incorrectly assumed it to be the case for the 2014 model as well. My bad.

Regarding the performance difference, it really is true. I thought my macbook was just filled with junk but even after (painfully) reinstalling everything it remained just as slow. Note that “everything” is basically a web development stack without a database, nothing too cluttered.

I used to get the spinning wheel all the time, never had it on any of the distros I’ve since installed on my MBP. Don’t like Arch? No problem, there’s plently of choice out there. Whatever distro you want will probably work fine. It’s really fast but don’t take my word, try it yourself.

“Works flawlessly” and “primary way of interacting” are limited to your use cases and experience. Not even allowing me to install xcode is not flawless, it’s really dumb. The trackpad works good enough and I wouldn’t trade, say, security updates for an improved version 🤷