I’d just like to point out that most of the complaints referenced in this post are at least partially being addressed with the latest release of Lemmy, 0.19.4

As you can see, there were many improvements to the moderation tools and image hosting UX/storage requirements. There’s obviously still room for improvement, but everything else out there has glaring issues as well. Mbin/PieFed are even less polished than Lemmy at this stage, although they are progressing quickly.

Also worth noting that most of the replies to the first post express a strong user preference for Lemmy over Sharkey.

Huh that is weird.

Thanks for the community though, don’t know how I’ve never seen that one yet. Lemmy is actually bigger than people think sometimes.

Nice one dude. High memories run deep 😤

This is your guy

They basically do the same thing but the interface is better on this one.

You need to take a step back. You can’t see the forest for the trees. Our strength is in our diversity.

Hexbear defederated from us as we were discussing whether to vote on defederating them, which was a foregone conclusion. Our users can’t walk into their communities, because they are scared that we might poke a hole in their bubble. Perhaps these boogeymen that you envision are less interested in taking over the world, and more interested in simply having their own space on the internet.

In short, if a user on that instance were to accidentally walk into chapotraphouse (hexbear.net is also not defederated on that instance) and say something that would anger the trolls and get you brigaded (from their discord server), then that’s not the problem of the instance admin of sh.itjust.works to protect their users from such a mistake.

It’s not nice to put words in someone else’s mouth. I will always protect my users against being brigaded. Hence why we were about to defederate hexbear before they beat us to the punch. But we aren’t being brigaded by lemmy.ml.

You actually believe Dessalines is taking money from the Chinese government? Come on dude, that’s absurd. Occam’s razor: he just doesn’t like when people say shit he doesn’t agree with, and petulantly bans them. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s just an internet moderation saga that has played out a million times before.

Amazing! So many features that people have been requesting. Really impressive release 🫡

Like I said, it was a good healthy discussion, you have differing opinions on the topic and you expressed them clearly and respectfully. Nothing wrong with that. I’m also a stubborn mfer

Agreed. But to be fair, there’s never been a forum like the fediverse before. People are still learning how to navigate this complex, multifaceted space. It’s not just one audience, it’s many different ones.

You absolutely nailed it with that comment, 5/7, perfect score.

Honestly it probably would get downvoted if you made it as a separate post, but that’s just because kvetching about lemmy.ml is the flavor of the week and most people are sheep.

Don’t mean to be a dick, but that was genuinely a very satisfying little internet spat. It was like watching a tennis match with you two volleying back and forth, and even the insults were pretty classy.

I think you each made several solid points, and I was brought slightly closer to forming an opinion regarding the public upvote/downvote system. This is likely to become a significant point of contention in the future, when Lemmy competitors will potentially seek to differentiate themselves by obscuring the visibility of votes.

Anyway, just remember that there are other people reading the thread who got something out of your contribution, even if you couldn’t come to a personal understanding with each other.

Makes a lot of sense, I have to agree with you that creating multiple accounts is not acceptable. Most of the people already here don’t mind it obviously, but in terms of future growth that’s a big hurdle that we need to figure out.

I’m definitely interested in the concept and I would certainly advocate for SJW to give it a shot in the future and see how it is.

That’s a very interesting blog post you linked. Lots of interesting tangents which I’m not gonna go down. But I mainly agree about corporations monetizing identity in the modern age. But I don’t think it applies to the fediverse, because instances are non-profit. And quite frankly, I don’t see the harm in playing to people’s sense of community and identity in order to lure them in. It seems to me that your vision is technically efficient, but maybe lacks some of the charm that Lemmy currently has.

Haha thank you for the info, I have been quite confused about this. At first I thought it was because it was already tomorrow in Australia, but then I checked a world clock and it wasn’t even close 😅

I think that’s a really cool idea, but I am apprehensive about unforseen consequences. I have previously pointed out that the current structure of Lemmy creates a nice balance of power between admins, mods, and users. I think all three groups have enough agency and independence that they can follow their personal preference in the fediverse without infringing too much on the experiences of the others. In theory, as the network expands, stability will continue to increase.

I’m not sure about messing with that paradigm in order to implement something like what you’re describing.

The question is: who else would be interested in hosting these fediverser-enabled instances?

So just to clarify what you mean. The fediverser-enabled instances would be current instances like lemmy.world, except with additional functionality to subscribe to unaffiliated communities?

Or they would be a totally new kind of instance with only independent communities? Sort of like lemmy.myserv.one (they don’t host local content), except instead of subscribing to communities on other instances, you would be subscribing to standalone communities organized in some kind of lightly moderated community list.

I think decentralization is preferable for a wide variety of reasons, most of which boil down to stability and adaptability.

As for why communities need to be associated with an instance, I think that’s a much more interesting question. The first thing that comes to mind is moderation and liability. Ultimately, someone needs to be held responsible if shit hits the fan and somebody hires a contract killing on Lemmy or something. Right now, those people are the instance admins. If you could have free floating communities, the moderators of the distributed community would need to take on that responsibility instead.

Also how would that work technically? Stuff would presumably still need to be hosted and mirrored on instances, even if technically “unaffiliated”.

I genuinely do believe that we are starting to see some organic growth.

I’ve been obsessed with Lemmy for the past year; I used to mostly lurk during my 10 year reddit career but everything changed over here, partially because I felt like my voice was really being heard.

And I have noticed an increase in activity in the past month, with posts and comments receiving more upvotes and engagement. It sounds like you’ve also been making the most of your Lemmy experience, which is great.

I sometimes try to spread the word about Lemmy on reddit and people are so toxic in the way that they deal with the smaller userbase and lesser activity. So many people that love to whine and complain, instead of realizing that Lemmy is an incredible opportunity/concept at an early/imperfect stage.

The increase in monthly is just mainly replacing users leaving as the active 6 month seems to be going down the same rate as active monthly is going up. Am I reading that correctly?

Yeah. But the active 6 month is a lagging indicator because it tracks users who became inactive 6 months ago. While the increase in monthly active users is tracking users joining right now. If the increase of monthly active users is sustained for a few months, it’ll reverse the 6 month trend as well.

Totally agree that it’s ultimately about activity, but the reality is that we need more users to have more activity. I always took for granted the sheer scale of reddit until I joined Lemmy. It takes a massive number of people to sustain continuous 24/7 discussion about a wide variety of topics, which is ultimately what this kind of link aggregator/forum strives to do. And Lemmy users are already really active compared to redditors. There just aren’t enough of us yet.

Yeah I hear you. Unfortunately we are in the early adopter phase so it requires extra effort sometimes

Kbin is more or less dead. You should probably switch over to Mbin, which is a fork of kbin that is in more active development.

This is the flagship instance, not really sure about any others.

https://kbin.melroy.org/

Or just use a Lemmy instance.

Yeah, he did.

First click the link. Then manually type 12ft.io/ in the URL bar, before the https://

I’m honestly not sure how it works because it doesn’t work when you share the link, but if you type it manually it does. Works on all sorts of sites too, but some sites have already opted out. Honestly the Firefox reader view that the other guy posted is even easier and more useful, assuming you use Firefox.

Oh cool. I’m using Firefox and I didn’t even realize that. Good tip 👌