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  • I don’t think Israel has a similar problem right now? If this was how Israeli politics worked you’d see right wingers and left wingers concentrating into one party each, but that’s not happening. I don’t see how Palestinians would cause the left wing to abandon all their causes and run towards the right wing and their genocidal agenda when they’re the people advocating for Palestinian rights and a Palestinian state.

    I can see your concerns, but this is a very unlikely worst case scenario. The two-state solution equivalent is “two states are created, but they hate each other and immediately go to war”.





  • given population differences alone and presumed voting along established political (ie religious) lines, you’d end up with a Jewish/Israeli government rather than a Muslim/Arab government.

    You’d end up with a government with both groups. It’d be possible to, for example, have a large Arab party in a coalition government with a left-wing Jewish coalition. And also someone like Netanyahu would’ve never won; because Palestinians would all rally around someone else.

    This is especially true in a parliamentary government like Israel; the Knesset would look much different if the Palestinian population suddenly tripled.


  • Israel has existed for 80 years, so if it suddenly stopped existing, where do the people who have been born there over 3 generations go?

    I never said they should go anywhere. Israel not existing simply means Israel, the Jewish state, not existing, not its people being driven off.

    It also doesn’t satisfy the reasons for why Israel was created in the first place; to have a Jewish state where, in the worst of circumstances, non-Israeli Jews can flee to.

    Something like that never should’ve existed in the first place. Jewish “right” of return is half the reason we got the current mess. There’s no reason Jews should have a country that’ll take them unconditionally for the same reason it’d be ridiculous to suggest the same thing if Roma people decided to build a state in India.

    And no, I’m not a Nazi. I’m not sure when white supremacists coopted the idea that Israel shouldn’t exist given they tend to be supportive of Israel, but anyway it’s first and foremost an Arab and Palestinian idea.